Stop Fcc

[WH CORPSE]

just thought i would pass this on please sign this

http://www.stopfcc.com

[Weeper]

What are we stopping them from? I didn't know they had done anything new. Someone have any idea what this is in regards to? Is there some new regulation that I haven't heard about? Please enlighten me if there is. There certainly was no explanation on the website.

[[SS]Snakebite]

Sorry, but I think TV, radio, etc... should be censored to some degree.

....unless I'm a doofus and misread all that. :D

[[SS]Raiden]

The point is that We should be the ones monitoring/censoring the stuff ourselves. If you dont like what your seeing, hearing, then guess what change the channel or turn it off. The government shouldn`t have the say so. We are our own people.
My two cents.

[JESS7]

I agree that television and radio should be censored to a degree. Adults can decide when to watch something and when not to, but children don't have that ability and could end up seeing or hearing something that they should not. We should all remember that the best part about being a child is the innocence. We should all try to protect that for them. Warning labels, ratings, whatever it takes, I am all for it.

[[SS]SportoFu]

I am against censorship myself. Of course, it might be different if I had children of my own. But that's why most televisions now have parental locks and channel locks and such. Manufacturers have relized the need for controls like these. Plus, where do you draw the line when you start censoring things? It's an impossible battle, and that's why it should be left to the parents to draw the line for THEIR children, by utilizing such controls.
If only they had them when I was a child.......we can only imagine. lol.

[[SS]Snakebite]

It will probably come to that one day. We will have to use custom channel blockers and such. That way us parents will have more control.

What about radio tho, kinda hard to block that out.

[[SS]Deadeye-R]

This reminds me of that Simpsons episode where a group was formed to ruin everything that was oriented towards kids. Why is it that everything we do and say has to be acceptable for the WHOLE populous. Why do I care if my behviour is acceptable for someone elses child to see? I want to be able to hear the word fuck on daytime tv, and if parents don't like it, don't let your kids watch tv.

I'm just being a bit outrageous here, but it rings some truth. If the cost of keeping kids away from bad language and sex on tv is censorship, then I say f*ck kids, the parents need to be the censors. Too much responsibility is placed on society to raise kids these days - the parents need to take responsibility for what their children see, hear, and do, not me, and definitely not the government.

[JESS7]

"It takes a village to raise a child." With attitudes like some people have, it's no wonder my job as a teacher is so difficult. Teenagers today are challenged so much by society. They are bombarded with things like tobacco, alcohol, drugs, sex, violence, etc. Believe me, teenagers lack the tools to make sound moral decisions sometimes. I see this everyday, and I can't help but wonder what the world will be like in 20 years. When these kids are the politicians, doctors, and other various leaders in our society, it could be very different. I feel very strongly that we should all do our part to help guide and shape these young people into the leaders that we would like them to be. I for one would not want the President of the U.S. in his State of the Union address in 20 years to be saying the "f" word. I know that's exaggerating a little, but it could come to that one day if things don't change.
As for the idea that parents should raise their own children and censor what they feel they don't want their kids to see/hear, I will try my best to do that for our son. I will do my best to teach him right from wrong, but I am not going to just stand by and let people make that harder for me than it already will be. I will tell him that just because the government may or may not say that it's ok for some things to happen, that does not make them right by any means. I think that's basically what every parent has to do anyway. Raise their kids by the moral standards that they choose to live by and pray the children turn out ok!

Sorry for the long post and for the lecture...I just feel very strongly about issues that deal with children, being a mother and teacher kinda fuels the fire in me about these things! lol:)

[[SS]Raiden]

lol @ jess

[Weeper]

Well said Jess!!!

[[SS]Grifter]

Personally speaking.....I was one of those kids saying, "F*** the PMRC" when it was first put together. Now I'm older, I understand why we have it. But it's still flawed. Nobody actually polices the CD's or video games.

You'll never hear me tell someone that they can't speak their mind, sing what they want, paint what they want, burn what they want, smoke what they want, etc. However, I also feel that a lot of the parents now a days (not accusing anyone here, just a generalization) use the television and movies as a babysitter. Not paying attention to the games and music that they purchase for them. Why is an 8 year old listening to Eminem and singing along about killing his mother?? Another prime example is SOCOM. How many little kids does everyone hear on the mic?? The statement specifically states, must be over 18 or have a parental consent to play this game. How many of those parents are actually paying attention to what they are buying? I saw a dad buy his 10-12 year old kid the Manhunt game. Why? cause the kid heard it was cool. Then they wonder why kids are bringing guns to school and shooting places up. The parents need to shoulder some of the responsibility as well. Don't like what your kids see or hear, change the channel. But please don't blame a video game, music or a piece of art because your son/daughter is suffering in school, or decides to join a gang, or shoot up a school yard. That's just silly. But yes, the censorship, or rather labeling of offensive lyrics, rating a video game as mature (18 and over) etc., I do agree with. Not being allowed to freely make a statement, say what I want to, smoke what I want to, drink what I want to, I don't agree with. There has to be some form of protection, but it shouldn't be over protective either.

[[SS]Dr.Who]

I think we all agree that our families are our own responsibility. The only thing (concerning my kids) that I am concerned about is......... who,what,where,when & why. I cannot control what my daughter sees at school, on the bus or at friends houses. My wife and I meet her friends AND THEIR PARENTS. We will go to their house, they come to ours, so we can see what the other is like. I compare to the [SS] rule of "No wall humping, if you dont like not doing it then dont challenge us" I dont like my daughter's friend's house/ parents, then she wont be going over there. Jess I agree we dont need help in making it harder in "growing our kids up right" BUT............. if we go "blocking stopping and HIDING" all of this stuff dont kid yourself they WILL GO LOOKING FOR IT!!

My family talk openly about things EVERY night. We eat dinner 6 nights a week at the dinner table. We make ourselves part of my daughters school activities (popping in at lunch time, school trips and events) and talk with her teachers at least once a week on the phone. I do not condone some things.............. some I do. My daughter KNOWS HER RULES AND BOUNDS.............. more over she FULLY UNDERSTANDS THE CONCEQUENCES OF breaking those bounds.

I believe a major problem with kids these days (and adults) is there are soft punishments for breaking the rules. NO FEAR basically..................... I dont need the governments help in teaching my daughter right and wrong. School doesnt do what it used to but I have no choice but to let her go to public school. We found a reputable school and am happy with it. So we feel like we have it covered, UNCLE SAM................... stay out of my house, I will make my own rules for MY FAMILY.

[[SS]Deadeye-R]

It's funny that in this debate I can agree with both sides. I see Jess's point about not being able to be there all the time. I agree with Doc on the same issue, and yes, kids will go searching for banned stuff. My cousin's parent's won't let him own GTA because its too violent. Good god, the kid is 15. I realize its violent, and includes violence against every ethnicity and women for that matter, but a 15 year old kid, brought up with the right values knows that he isn't supposed to do that sort of thing.

The SOCOM rating I can agree with also. I don't consider that censorship. All the rating system is for is a recommendation. I can't understand why a parent, with the knowledge that ONLY people over 18 can even purchase a game (not unlike a porno flick), would purchase that game for their kids. In SOCOM it's not even the violence that the kids should be staying away from, its the players. How many times I've lipped some young kid off, or made comments that I shouldn't say around kids. But my justification is that they shouldn't be there in the first place. That's like saying, don't smoke in a bar because there might be kids there. THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE!! That's an adult setting just like anything else that has a minimum age.

Now onto Manhunt. I even found that game offensive, and I have been de-sensitized to violence my whole life. There is NO way I would let my "future kids" play that game. For anyone who hasn't played it, I recommend renting it and seeing video game violence at its best. GTA is nothing in the violence spectrum compared to Manhunt. You can gouge a guys eyes out with a glass shard.

Conclusion . . . not quite sure. I don't want to be censored under the justification that kids see and hear the wrong thing. I am an adult, and as an adult should be able to see and hear what I want, and say what I want. I shouldn't be restricted because OTHER PEOPLE"S kids might hear it.

On the other hand . . . I'm not saying that we should all walk around naked and swearing all day. People can make the appropriate decisions - for the most part anyway. I think we need to leave it up to society's discretion.

[[SS]Dr.Who]

I agree. NOW BRING BACK HOWARD STERN!!!! I dont listen to him, but I am tired of hearing his listeners whinning because they cannot hear him anymore........................................... .......... LOL

[[SS]Snakebite]

What's the deal with Stern? I watch that, did he get banned?

Grifter.... I totally agree with you. I'm all for some degree of censoring on the public TV, radio stations but let us "adults" make the decisions from there on out. Parents just need to keep a closer eye on our "little ones" regardless.

Now, the whole thing about this thread being started was for voting to Stop the FCC. I will probably never vote to stop them bcz of the good they do to keep the public radio & TV clean. Now I also will not vote in favor of anything they do that steps over the line in our freedom of speech, religion, etc..

k, lets change the subject..... how bout them Bears? :D

[[SS]Grifter]

Originally posted by [SS]Deadeye
On the other hand . . . I'm not saying that we should all walk around naked and swearing all day. People can make the appropriate decisions - for the most part anyway. I think we need to leave it up to society's discretion.

Well son of a ****, mother ******, rotten **** eating....I'm puttin' my clothes back on then.......

Bears?? Bears?? How about those Cubs!! Baseball is right around the corner!! Anyone going to their opening day?

[[SS]Deadeye-R]

Here's a win for people against censorship . . . Family guy is coming back for two seasons.!!!! Woohoo!

[WH CORPSE]

the reason i posted this was for the simple fact that FCC shouldnt have contol of all that they have control of the only one that i agree on that they have control over is the radio there is not technoligy that allows parents to band certain channels or time slots of certain radio personality but as for TV they have no right thats what the V-chip was made for in TV's if u dont want ur kid to watch certain things then u as a parent could sensor what ur child watches not the goverment to be honest i let my kids play violent games and listen to what ever they want but i have explained to them that just like TV programs and movies most music is just stories too my kids now what is good and what is bad and i have put that fear into my kids they know that if they do something that they are not supposed to do then they have to fell the wrath of DAD


i just thought i would put my insite on this sorry it took so long to do so been a busy week

[Weeper]

The FCC monitors PUBLIC television, radio, etc. I said PUBLIC. As an adult if you decide to rent a movie or watch HBO which you buy from a PRIVATE entity, you as an adult can do what you want in the privacy of your home.

Now ... show a minor a porno movie in the Privacy of your home and the law finds out and your going to jail. Why? Because its against the LAW.

There are LAWS in place to protect children. Thank GOD we have them.

As for ADULTS ... do what you want.

BTW ... I don't let my younger kids play SOCOM online anymore anyways because I realize they're people out there that don't have enough respect to not FLAME a 10 year old or 7 year old. Yes, they are annoying at times (the kids). That is why there are private rooms that can be made in S2 as well.

Dear LORD we ought to all respect children. Adults are suppose to be mature enough to make sound decisions. Unfortunately they're are too many perverted people out there in the world (I am not speaking on anyone here so please don't take it wrong). If there weren't then we wouldn't hear about small children being abducted, murder, and much more.

ADULTS have their rights and they are entitled to them. Along with those rights come responsibilities as well. Don't think so? Ask you employer.

With that said ... I don't oppose any of you watching, saying or doing whatever you are LEGALLY allowed to do. But please be responsible.

And if it doesn't take a community to raise a child ... then how did we all get thru life. Someone outside each one of our familes have impacted us in some way, shape or form. Either good or bad.

So ADULTS go enjoy your shows or whatever. Its just not everything belongs on PUBLIC stations. PRIVATE yes. PUBLIC NO!!!

[[SS]Cuervo]

i thought they had all prgrams already on a rating scale.. and now most cable providers.. and soon TV should have the cabaoility to FILTER on these ratings.. so in hence yeah.. they will be monitored.. but BY THE USER!! Fuk FCC

[[SS]Cuervo]

heck.. they might as well bann all the fast food joints.. i mean they are bad for us right.. but why not just take away the right for us to choose to eat it or not..

[[SS]CJ]

I can see validity in everyones post. Are you ready for the extreme? Probably not. I'll voice it anyway. The governments role in our lives should be greatly diminished. What should the government do? Two things and two things only. Protect against harm and protect against fraud.......thats it. No social security, no food stamps, no welfare, no unemployment, no free legal counsel, no social programs, nothing at all. Basically, there should be a police force and a military. The police force should have lesser power though.....way lesser power. I realize my opinion is very extreme. I also realize that my ideas will never happen.

I signed the FCC document. I'll sign anything that reduces government involvement in my or any Americans life.

I respect everyones opinion and I hope that you respect mine.

[JESS7]

Originally posted by [SS]Weeper
So ADULTS go enjoy your shows or whatever. Its just not everything belongs on PUBLIC stations. PRIVATE yes. PUBLIC NO!!!

Well said Weeper. There is a huge difference between PUBLIC and PRIVATE television. I think if we just thought about it for a little while, we'd probably all agree with that. In public, there should be the restrictions, to protect the rights of the people who don't want to constantly have to change the channel or turn off the tv.
Most opinions in this forum are complaining about the rights of people to say what they want or do what they want, but we need to remember the rights of the people who do not want to hear you say what you want or see you do what you want. Those people have just as many rights as the others, and somewhere there has to be a happy medium. That makes me very glad that I am not in a government position to try and come up with that happy medium. I think the biggest part of it goes back to Weeper's post. The public areas have to be protected, but the private areas do not need the same amount of censorship.

[[SS]Dr.Who]

Jess and Weeps I understand your point of public and private. If I go to an office and they have TV on........... who decides what is appropriate for me? The business owner? What if he likes Howard Stern and decides it can be on in his waiting room? Am i to complain because he is using his rights? Or complain because he is infringing on mine? I have the right to go find a doctor who like my tastes? This is crazy. Use the parental control on the tv or cable box or satellite dish and go on with life. I believe radio can have parental controls, because alot of receivers/radios have digital tuners as opposed to the dial ones. You could activate a parental control. Alot of the universal controllers of today could easily come with parental controls...........if the public demands it then the makers will make it.
You can spend forever and all the money in the world and NEVER solve this public/private stuff. Dont go where the "bad peeps are" and you wont get offended. Dont go around expecting censorship that agrees with your standards and walk around in public complaining that your stasndards are not enforced wherever you go.

In this spinning mass we call home we have exposure to everything good and bad. We cannot protect 24/7 (as much as as a DAD I want too..) but we can handle/ teach morals and respect and what is right and wrong. Hope we do our best, and then get mad when our kids go out behind our backs and grow or do things we dont agree with (and they most definately will).

When will the madness end!?!?!?!?!?! NEVER.......................... LOL

[Weeper]

I hear you DOC

Guess parental controls would have worked well during the half-time show at the Superbowl ... ey?

[[SS]Dr.Who]

That was a result of Janet and Justin. They knew what they were going to do and knew the repurcusions so they hid it. If they hadnt hid it do you honestly think it still would have been aired? C'mon Weeps dont try to justify everything. Everything has its limitations. Parental control is based on GOVERNMENT RATINGS enforced by Hollywood. If the broadcaster changes something in content but not the RATING.................................. PC does not good.

I am just saying EVERYTHING has an audience and should not be "removed" because someone deems inapropriate. Give things an honest rating and that should be where it ends because parents/adults make the choices. Let them deal/live with their choices and quit dumping responsibility on someone else to handle for you. Otherwise they will have to take away all choices, the government will rule EVERYTHING we see or say or do. I for one have no desire to live in a Communist state and be dictated upon by others. It is bad enough I have to pay taxes to pay for BS government involvement as it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Weeper]

DOC ... trust me I do use PARENTAL controls.

I do see both sides. I am not for unnecessary sensorship. And I do respect others rights to view what they want.

And at this point this discussion is probably futile and should be DROPPED.

But alas ... someone else will disagree with that. LOL!!!

Ain't AMERICA Great!!!

[[SS]Snakebite]

Don't worry Weeper, some of us know where you are coming from. ;)

It doesn't matter what anybody types in here anyway, nothing will change bcz of it, no sense in arguing/discussing it. Let's just keep it Socom related. Here's my 2nd attempt to change the subject. Please tell me you guys noticed all the lag in the past few days...... its like S1 after Christmas!!

[[SS]CJ]

When I was a little boy, my parents gave me a dog for my birthday. I named him Max. He was white and fluffy. I loved him very much....................

[Weeper]

LOL @ CJ